Joined: Jun 2008 Gender: Male Posts: 151 Location: Ajax, Ontario
Steering Boot Replace « Thread Started on Oct 2, 2009, 9:57am »
When greasing I noticed the steering boot was badly cracked and needed replacing. I was able to get a close match from JB Equipment here in Ontario. I think it is either for a JInma or Foton but it seemed close enough. Viewing Joes recent thread on his it seemed not too difficult.
New and Old
Completed Although the new boot was a little bigger it seemed to fit ok. As it is a little longer, it doesn't compress as tightly as the original when you turn hard left. The knuckle end was also a little large and had to squeeze the bot together a bit.
A general question. If most other cylinders (loaders, backhoes etc.) don't need boots, why does a steering cylinder need a boot. Its not like a joint (cars CV or other) that if dirt gets in it will get damaged. The others are open to just as much dirt etc. as the others??
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Re: Steering Boot Replace « Reply #1 on Oct 2, 2009, 12:18pm »
Dave, you make a good point. From new my DF 254 does not have any boots on the steering rams yet they stay clean and so far undamaged - the ram is however mounted behind the front axle which does protect it somewhat.
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Re: Steering Boot Replace « Reply #2 on Oct 2, 2009, 2:20pm »
Hi Peter,
Very interesting. I have as well seen sales photos of some tractors and have noticed no steering boot. The DF did smart by putting the steering cylinder behind the front axle to prevent damage. Mine is like that as well.
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Re: Steering Boot Replace « Reply #3 on Oct 2, 2009, 5:58pm »
A general question. If most other cylinders (loaders, backhoes etc.) don't need boots, why does a steering cylinder need a boot. Its not like a joint (cars CV or other) that if dirt gets in it will get damaged. The others are open to just as much dirt etc. as the others??
..........just wondering!
Dave
Hey Dave,,
Good Job on Replaceing the Protective Boot on your Steering Cylinder.
I don't know the Specific Correct answer to your Question of "Why"...
I can only Guess,, and Speculate,, which is what a lot of us do on the How and Why,, in Regard's to The Chinese Tractor.
After taking my Cylinder apart,, and seeing the Seal's totally Blown apart and in Piece's,, I am thinking that The Chinese put this Boot on,, in an effort to try and give the Seals and Cylinder more protection.
I have seen from past experience how Dried Grass,, and Dirt,, Cling's to Metal,, Pretty Good. When this Dried Goo,, is on The Cylinder Rod,, then when it gets pulled back into the Cylinder,, I can see,, that it will be putting a lot of Extra Strain on The Outer Seal,, that keeps the Cylinder from Leaking to the Outside.
Also,, The Dried Goo,, when pulled back into the Cylinder will introduce Dirt and Debris to the Hydraulic Oil System,, when we allready know,, needs to be as clean as possible.
That's 2 point's that came to My So Small Mind,, right off,, but there may also be other points as well.
My reasoning,, is,, The Chinese Try to put these Tractor's out,, with as little Cost,, as possible,, so anything that they go the Extra Mile to do,, I am thinking that it is there for a reason. They should have gone the extra mile to put Block Heater's on the Tractor's Too,, or at least a Port to install one... And we all know,, that would have helped most of us,, but The Chinese Didn't think that was necessary... Joe
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Re: Steering Boot Replace « Reply #4 on Oct 3, 2009, 8:28am »
HI Joe,
Makes sense all what you said, although when I use my backhoe with all the dirt flying around, those cylinders really get dirty much more than the steering cylinder. The steering cylinder is one though that you cannot do without so any added protection is more critical than other cylinders.
Makes sense all what you said, although when I use my backhoe with all the dirt flying around, those cylinders really get dirty much more than the steering cylinder. The steering cylinder is one though that you cannot do without so any added protection is more critical than other cylinders.
Dave
Hey Dave,
I Think that you Hit The Nail On The Head,, so to speak. In which The Chinese are thinking in Terms of Safety.
I have read the Chinese Manual's,, and constantly refer back to them,, in which I see in Many Many Place's,, the Concern for Safety of Tractor Operation.
In Other word's,, Now This is Just Poor Ole Joe talking now,, that in the Eyes of The Chinese,, Safety come's first,, especially when it comes to Tractor Options. Hence Safety Belts, Turn Signals, Brake Lights, Trailer Lights, ROPS, Canopy, Fender's,, etc, etc.
Again,, just me talking and thinking,, which is Dangerous,, so please be forewarned...
I'm thinking that The Chinese Developed these Tractor's to Help out the Rural Chinese Family's,, that live way way way back in Their Country. These Tractor's may be their only means of Transportation to and From Town,, for their Supplies. Just Guessing but that Town,, might be somewhat like one like of Long ago,, when it was just a Hardware, Drygoods, Bank, Saloon, and a Modern(Gas Station)....
These Rural Familie's may not even have Electricity,, to power the Block Heater,, so that's not necessary for them. However,, when Electricity become's more widely available,, then I would think that they will All start wanting An Engine Block Heater...
But also,, the Tractor,, can be used for the Family Farming Needs as well.
The Operation's Manual talks about pulling a Trailer a lot,, so I imagine,, that they outfit a Trailer so that the Rest of The Family can also go to Town in a Trailer with Seats, Overhead Canopy,, in Comfort. I can imagine,, that this is a Total Adventure for them,, and I am willing to bet 5 $'s,, that this is so much fun for the Whole Family, Especially for the Children. Sort of like going on a Tractor/Trailer Hay Ride,, that we still have here in North America.
For The Very Rural Chinese Family,, I can Imagine,, that haveing one of These 4 Wheel Drive Tractor's,, is about like Equivalent to Owning A Truck, Car, & Tractor,, all rolled into One...
Thinking along those line's,, which I may or may not be right ~ I am thinking that it would help any Hydraulic Cylinder,, that get's Dirty a lot,, to have a Boot on The Rod,, to help in Long Term Durability. It may not be practical on some Cylinder's though. Finding one that will fit properly,, is also to be taken into considerations.
Remember the Older Motorbike's,, that had boots on The Front Shocks? And I think that they still do,, especially on The Off Road Motorbike's.
These are just my Thought's on This,, Have no Document's to back up what I am saying,, other than what is in The Operation's Manual,, as to such thing's about only using "Clean Creek Water",, for the Cooling System, Joe
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Re: Steering Boot Replace « Reply #6 on Nov 11, 2009, 12:01am »
Hey Joe and Fogo:
Interesting point on the block heaters...
My reasoning,, is,, The Chinese Try to put these Tractor's out,, with as little Cost,, as possible,, so anything that they go the Extra Mile to do,, I am thinking that it is there for a reason. They should have gone the extra mile to put Block Heater's on the Tractor's Too,, or at least a Port to install one... And we all know,, that would have helped most of us,, but The Chinese Didn't think that was necessary... Joe
I have a VW Jetta purchased in the spring of 07, TDI, which also had no engine port for a block heater. I did buy an inline heaater from the dealer which works well and can warm my frozen hands on a - 40 C night here in Northern Ontario. All my previous VW diesels did have true "block heaters".
Well at any rate I need to put one into the df 354 soon, once I get the garage built for her. Fogo has given me some good pointers on how to keep the df happy in cold weather.
Thanks to all for the great information you share.
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Re: Steering Boot Replace « Reply #7 on Nov 11, 2009, 5:31am »
Hi Joe,
Welcome aboard and congrats on the new DF. Hadn't heard if you got it or not. Love to see some pics and comments. As for the block heater, I haven't put one in yet but after hooking the glowplugs up (it was wired for the manifold heater) with the direct injection it starts in the coldest of weather. If you want post in the new mwmbers section alittle about the new rig.
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