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Re: Tractor won't move
« Thread Started on Sept 26, 2010, 9:08pm »

Sept 26, 2010, 7:39pm, daven wrote:
I'm in over my head now. I was working my Jinma 204 pulling a fence and digging post holes. All of a sudden it won't move. Nothing in either direction. I did all of the obvious like checking levers to be sure i didn't bump it out of any gear. All levers in there correct position. I have pulled off the top of all the gear cases and what I'm seeing is the pinion gear (that is in the front of the rear end part) isn't moving. With the top of the transmission off i start it in gear and both racks of gears spin but not the one in the front of the rear end gearbox. Any ideas? Please point me in the right direction. Thanks ahead of time for the help. Dave


Hi Dave,

Welcome to The Owners Club. :)

Do You have a shuttle-shift?

If yes, then check the roll pin and the nut for the arm and shuttle-shift cable at the base of the shuttle-shift operating lever.

Check the roll pin at the bottom end of the cable that holds the shift lever on the shaft. It may have failed.

Also check that the cable hasn't come out of the upper or lower mounting brackets.

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Re: Tractor won't move
« Reply #1 on Sept 27, 2010, 10:37am »
I don't have a shuttle shift. I have a regular shift and high/low engagement lever and a creeper lever.

When I put it in gear (I have the top off) all the gears seem to be spinning but non in the rear end move. and it seem the the only common gear is the pinion gear?
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Re: Tractor won't move
« Reply #2 on Sept 27, 2010, 4:48pm »

Sept 27, 2010, 10:37am, daven wrote:
I don't have a shuttle shift. I have a regular shift and high/low engagement lever and a creeper lever.

When I put it in gear (I have the top off) all the gears seem to be spinning but non in the rear end move. and it seem the the only common gear is the pinion gear?


Dave,

Have you taken off the Clutch Inspection Plate? With Engine Off,, work the Clutch Pedal,, and observe the Clutch Levers at the ThrowOut Bearing. Is there movement in the ThrowOut Bearing Front to Rear? How do the Clutch Lever's Look?

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Re: Tractor won't move
« Reply #3 on Sept 27, 2010, 10:09pm »
I did a recheck on the clutch adjustment after I found a broken pin in the clutch arm. Once I replaced that I thought that could have been my problem. No dice!
With all the top covers off I decided I'm checking them 1 gear at a time. Well, starting right up front with the input shaft. I could turn that shaft without turning the engine. Shouldn't happen! So this afternoon i started to bust it in half. I did notice a noise when the clutch was disengaged so I'm thinking I have a clutch with a blown out center section or a broken input shaft. I'll keep everyone posted as soon as I have 2 pieces and can perform surgery on the clutch.
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Re: Tractor won't move
« Reply #4 on Sept 27, 2010, 11:04pm »

Sept 27, 2010, 10:09pm, daven wrote:
I did a recheck on the clutch adjustment after I found a broken pin in the clutch arm. Once I replaced that I thought that could have been my problem. No dice!
With all the top covers off I decided I'm checking them 1 gear at a time. Well, starting right up front with the input shaft. I could turn that shaft without turning the engine. Shouldn't happen! So this afternoon i started to bust it in half. I did notice a noise when the clutch was disengaged so I'm thinking I have a clutch with a blown out center section or a broken input shaft. I'll keep everyone posted as soon as I have 2 pieces and can perform surgery on the clutch.


Dave,

What a fine mess! :'(

It would be great if you could post pictures of your problem and repairs. :)

I'm sure you've discovered there are no shop repair manuals for these tractors. Relying on each other to post our fixing and adjusting experiences (especially with pictures) is a great help to us all.

A few pictures of those 1939 Ford Business Coupes please! 8-) 8-) 8-)

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Re: Tractor won't move
« Reply #5 on Sept 30, 2010, 8:54am »
I just started to perform the transplant. I removed the bottom half of the F.E.L. found about 10 bolts that i needed to remove around the bell housing and a couple lurking in the shadows. I supported the engine and drive train with a floor jacks and 2 x 8 just for grins so as not to slip off. I seperated about 5 " and had to turn on the candles so decided to wait till next weekend to finish the pull. It was simple but spooky, don't want to drop anything. I used A COME ALONG to help with the pull but kept pulling the back of the tractor.So blocked the wheels and set the brakes. It seemed stuck so had to call Keno Tractors and talked to Mark and Marcus before i give the real hev-ho this weekend. I'll keep ya posted of my progress. Pictures for Wayne
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Re: Tractor won't move
« Reply #6 on Sept 30, 2010, 10:23am »

Sept 30, 2010, 8:54am, daven wrote:
I just started to perform the transplant. I removed the bottom half of the F.E.L. found about 10 bolts that i needed to remove around the bell housing and a couple lurking in the shadows. I supported the engine and drive train with a floor jacks and 2 x 8 just for grins so as not to slip off. I seperated about 5 " and had to turn on the candles so decided to wait till next weekend to finish the pull. It was simple but spooky, don't want to drop anything. I used A COME ALONG to help with the pull but kept pulling the back of the tractor.So blocked the wheels and set the brakes. It seemed stuck so had to call Keno Tractors and talked to Mark and Marcus before i give the real hev-ho this weekend. I'll keep ya posted of my progress. Pictures for Wayne


Dave,

Oh, it's only the 1939 standard model... ;D

What a perfectly beautiful car! It looks absolutely flawless! 8-)

I see the old 239 flathead overheating problem was solved by installing a small block Chevy under the hood. :)

Very nice work on the gas fill door addition!

Any chance there's a 9" Ford underneath?

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Re: Tractor won't move
« Reply #7 on Oct 2, 2010, 11:03pm »
39 standard is correct. Straight axle up front dropped 4" but NO 9" in the back. In the late 80's early 90's ford offered a 8" that was exactly 57" drum to drum. OH MY, thats the measurement I needed inside the fenders. I did a little surgery on the old gas filler and came up with what you see. I have '87 vette 4 piston calipers up front also adapted to the straight axle. Ricardo seat from a Honda Prelude. Lumbar support and all. I even made a rear seat for the grandkids or dogs. Going to sell that one and get something else. Dave
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Re: Tractor won't move
« Reply #8 on Oct 3, 2010, 11:45pm »
OK got the engine and trans separated, Not to bad a job had to disconnect the steering (that was my hangup) once i figure that out one more pull and 2 halves. as i separated it i looked at the clutch and sure enough all the rivets were sheared of and so no connection with the tranny. Separated the clutch and ordering parts tomorrow. Then the fun of aliening those disc's with the pilot bearing. I saw someone else making a tool from dowel pins and so thats next once I call Mark.
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« Reply #9 on Dec 8, 2010, 1:33am »
Well i was about to post all the pictures i took for the clutch job and asked the little woman for the camera with all the pictures for my friends on CTOC. I saw the "deer in the headlights" look as she sheepisly said " well it's all fixed so i thought you were done with them so i deleted them" sorry guys, no pics but i do have the busted clutch disc if ya want to see the sheared off rivets and a 2 piece clutch? Dave
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Re: Tractor won't move
« Reply #10 on Dec 8, 2010, 11:57am »

Dec 8, 2010, 1:33am, daven wrote:
Well i was about to post all the pictures i took for the clutch job and asked the little woman for the camera with all the pictures for my friends on CTOC. I saw the "deer in the headlights" look as she sheepisly said " well it's all fixed so i thought you were done with them so i deleted them" sorry guys, no pics but i do have the busted clutch disc if ya want to see the sheared off rivets and a 2 piece clutch? Dave


Dave,

Reminds me of the time I took a series of pictures as I disassembled a 1940 Ford Coupe...too bad there wasn't any film in the camera. ::) I can't remember if I blamed my wife...

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Re: Tractor won't move
« Reply #11 on Jan 13, 2011, 1:12am »
If you didn't you should have. A GUY would have looked first right, wrongggggggggggggggggggggg. Snap a few first then look right ? Dave
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Re: Tractor won't move
« Reply #12 on Feb 20, 2011, 3:27pm »
I am new to this forum, and could use some help. Our Jinma 254 runs fine, however yesterday it won't allow me to go into forward or reverse.

The lever seems fine all the way down to the case, which when the lever is pulled forward or downward it looks as though everything is moving, however won't go into forward or reverse.

Could it be fluid, or something else.

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Re: Tractor won't move
« Reply #13 on Feb 20, 2011, 7:00pm »
???? I thought you had a clutch pin problem ???????

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Re: Tractor won't move
« Reply #14 on Feb 21, 2011, 2:05pm »

Feb 20, 2011, 3:27pm, daver wrote:
I am new to this forum, and could use some help. Our Jinma 254 runs fine, however yesterday it won't allow me to go into forward or reverse.

The lever seems fine all the way down to the case, which when the lever is pulled forward or downward it looks as though everything is moving, however won't go into forward or reverse.

Could it be fluid, or something else.

Thanks


Hi Daver,

Welcome to The Owners Club!

I'm sure you're speaking of the Shuttle Shift.

If everything moves OK disconnect near the shift arm at the side of transmission. Work the shift arm on the transmission by hand. It should take a good amount of effort to shift. If it moves easily the problem may be under the shuttle shift cover. (Be sure the arm is actually turning the shaft as the pin holding it on may be sheared or gone).
There's a pin inside the cover. It may have sheared or fallen out. The shift fork has been known to break too.

Once the deck is removed the cover is a simple removal and installation. The cover is a snug fit on two guide pins. There are two threaded holes in the cover for jacking screws. After the bolts are out, run the jacking screws down evenly until the cover can be removed by hand.

Let us know what you find out and we'll go from there.

Good Luck! :)

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